Does this even exist anymore? It seems that with the advent of the tubes, people are more obsessed with self-exploitation than concerned about privacy. And with kids posting videos on youtube at 12 and sexting pictures of themselves as soon as they hit puberty, I'm not even sure younger people have any conception of privacy. Ironically, the very thing warned about by political philosophers for years, of some oppressive power's intrusion on their privacy from above, has been taken up willingly from below by the people themselves.

The policy implications of this are frightening. By the time this generation hits the age of ascension in 20 years or so, what will their perception of the constitution be regarding privacy? The only Miranda they will ever have heard of is the chick on iCarly, and the 4th Amendment will be someone else's distant memory. Not to get all 1984, but we already have the technology to cheaply monitor every single person, audio and video, and they buy it themselves; how will this have developed 20 years from now, when a generation that doesn't even have the expectation of privacy, let alone an understanding of its value, but instead went from childhood to adulthood without ever having more privacy than they did while living in their parents' homes, starts running things?

Troof

I dont think I know many people who can leave their front door and travel in any direction for more than a mile before they are on record.

Facebook uses facial scanning software to pin individual's by their features. I'm sure the DMV feeds into shit that does this also. The cameras of the increasingly centralized municipalities (Camden County POLice motherfuckers!) will inevitably one day use this data, if they do not already.

There are computers already that are so advanced that they are essentially alive, and these computers just eat up all of this data, fed to them by the Pentagon and related agencies all over the world. They can, and probably already do, have a literal matrix, with a real-time planet grid filled with moving dots, all of which are loaded with data collected about the individuals whose real-time placement they represent; personality profiles, spending habits, pornography, memberships in organizations, electoral status, debt, health conditions, everything. And the knowledge of the space these individuals are in is developed and sophisticated too- combine this with their areial scans and satellite photography and RFID product-tracker chips and Google street camera cars. Thats already where we are at today.

Dude think about how these computers will and must already (someone built them as an investment) make economic models for resource exploitation, models that invested Ruling parties follow as policy.

Technology that I engulf myself in by signing up for social networking websites and the overabundance of new safety precautions within this country are now infringing on my right to privacy.

You always have the option to-
not have a bank account
not own any assets
live off map
not use a cell phone
I could go on and list for a while but the reality is, If you want to be a productive and working us citizen then you need to suck it up. Or, you can always go move to Yemen.

Originally posted by: Man is Truth

I dont think I know many people who can leave their front door and travel in any direction for more than a mile before they are on record.

Facebook uses facial scanning software to pin individual's by their features. I'm sure the DMV feeds into shit that does this also. The cameras of the increasingly centralized municipalities (Camden County POLice motherfuckers!) will inevitably one day use this data, if they do not already.

There are computers already that are so advanced that they are essentially alive, and these computers just eat up all of this data, fed to them by the Pentagon and related agencies all over the world. They can, and probably already do, have a literal matrix, with a real-time planet grid filled with moving dots, all of which are loaded with data collected about the individuals whose real-time placement they represent; personality profiles, spending habits, pornography, memberships in organizations, electoral status, debt, health conditions, everything. And the knowledge of the space these individuals are in is developed and sophisticated too- combine this with their areial scans and satellite photography and RFID product-tracker chips and Google street camera cars. Thats already where we are at today.

Dude think about how these computers will and must already (someone built them as an investment) make economic models for resource exploitation, models that invested Ruling parties follow as policy.

I'm not even worried about top-down control coming in the form of political repression or 'enhanced' marketing, nearly as much as I am about cavalier person-to-person violations becoming commonplace, and the more insidious decomposition of what we are, coming from the ground up as we willingly give it away.

The willingness of people following 9/11 to accept the Patriot Act's warrentless wiretaps may have just been the first notes of the score. If people put such a low value on privacy - and some don't even view it as necessarily a positive thing for themselves - or for the people they lurk, stalk, 'research', etc., how will this influence their interpretation of law when they're in their 40's? I think we are already looking at a generation that has grown up without it: 9/11 was 10 years ago. What will their conception of civil liberties be when they are given the choice between holding on to them or getting the next new shiny whateverthefuck? What does this make them?


As for the tracking question, yeah, there are already parents who have used nanny cams on their children from birth, and the children have become accustomed to it. They go straight from this environment to posting pictures of themselves on myspace and facebook and giving a running commentary of their bowel movements on twitter. So the transition from the nanny cam to the nanny state is pretty seamless, except that there will be no nanny, just a cashier and gluttenous, consumerist, adult children responding to whatever fads and mores of their time captures their attention, i.e. less Big Brother and more Idiocracy.

But that's just one aspect to it, and in my opinion a minor one. What does all this do to the human character? For two and a half thousand years here in the West, humans have struggled with the notion of personal boundaries. Slaves had no boundaries from their owners, and kings had castles. Everyone else fell somewhere in between. From Solon to Charlemagne to Nat Turner to the U.N. charter's definition of basic human rights, progress, however slow, was made to the point where everyone, regardless of income, color, or gender, is at least supposed to be able to have the expectation of basic rights, including the right to privacy. Now, a significant piece of that progression may be slipping back in retrograde in the dark of night and the dull sleep of gluttony, vanity, and the other usual suspects.

I dont think you really need to think hard about the implications considering you can just read the replies of your fellow posters here. Look how mad they get that you are even mentioning it. It will not be long before they email your thoughtcrime to the appropriate agency. Thats probably happening now also.

"It will not be long before they email your thoughtcrime to the appropriate agency. Thats probably happening now also."

I love how you so quickly resort to fantasy.

You habitually confuse deductive forethought with fantasizing. Fantasizing is envisioning the fulfillment of frustrated wishes. Forethought is looking at what is happening around you and applying scientific things like probability and reason to predict the likelihood of an outcome.

For example, when you talk about government protecting people, you are fantasizing- in your own life, you have no power to defend yourself or your claims, and are victimized by the aggression of scary men and institutions. So you fantasize about a daddy protector class that will make this fear go away.

Of course though you will try and derail a perfectly interesting conversation about our present condition.

"For example, when you talk about government protecting people, you are fantasizing- in your own life, you have no power to defend yourself or your claims, and are victimized by the aggression of scary men and institutions. So you fantasize about a daddy protector class that will make this fear go away. "

As usual, you only see two positions... complete agreement with you on everything or as you put it "muggle housenegro".

Man is Truth vs crunkmoose is always fun

Originally posted by: DorkNerdLurker

Man is Truth vs crunkmoose is always fun

The conversations they have are amazing, mainly because Man is Truth is completely off his rocker and crunkmoose is great at pointing it out while still sounding intelligent.

Originally posted by: Mrs. Green

Originally posted by: DorkNerdLurker

Man is Truth vs crunkmoose is always fun

The conversations they have are amazing, mainly because Man is Truth is completely off his rocker and crunkmoose is great at pointing it out while still sounding intelligent.

Well, to be honest, Man is Truth and even Dwarn do have some good points... though both are pretty paranoid and veer way too far into fantasy conspiracies and, of course, absolutely refuse to make their points in a clear and accessible manner. They would rather spout jargon and try to prove themselves somehow superior to everyone else. In fact, this is pretty standard behavior for crackpots and kooks in general. It doesn't necessarily mean they are completely wrong, which these two are not, but it does warn one off of taking what they say as gospel or without a few tons of salt.

I would not be surprised if you are also Mrs. Green. The above dialogue is sappier and faker than MSNBC attempts to rally the haters with academic sounding hostility and group masturbation.

my life is rather boring. "they" could record the whole thing and not come up with one jailable offense. no care.

Thats just dumb. You are a We because you are a human too, and other humans right in your area, probably in sight of where you sleep (and therefore implicitly trusted with protecting you when vulnerable, or at least trusted with not attacking you) are in fact threatened by violent force for things that threaten no one else with violent force. And there is a machine that is networked and invested and paid for whose function is to sniff through people and identify and victimize these people, your neighbors.

But its just so chic to not give a fuck about whats going on around you. Too cool for school.