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February 1 2006 2:52 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
....just want to justify themselves with false accusations against Bush .


Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says
January 26, 2006

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.

"There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."

Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

Democrats have made the absence of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq a theme in their criticism of the Bush administration's decision to go to war in 2003. And President Bush himself has conceded much of the point; in a televised prime-time address to Americans last month, he said, "It is true that many nations believed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. But much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong."

Said Mr. Bush, "We did not find those weapons."
The discovery of the weapons in Syria could alter the American political debate on the Iraq war. And even the accusations that they are there could step up international pressure on the government in Damascus. That government, led by Bashar Assad, is already facing a U.N. investigation over its alleged role in the assassination of a former prime minister of Lebanon. The Bush administration has criticized Syria for its support of terrorism and its failure to cooperate with the U.N. investigation.

The State Department recently granted visas for self-proclaimed opponents of Mr. Assad to attend a "Syrian National Council" meeting in Washington scheduled for this weekend, even though the attendees include communists, Baathists, and members of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood group to the exclusion of other, more mainstream groups.

Mr. Sada, 65, told the Sun that the pilots of the two airliners that transported the weapons of mass destruction to Syria from Iraq approached him in the middle of 2004, after Saddam was captured by American troops.

"I know them very well. They are very good friends of mine. We trust each other. We are friends as pilots," Mr. Sada said of the two pilots. He declined to disclose their names, saying they are concerned for their safety. But he said they are now employed by other airlines outside Iraq.

The pilots told Mr. Sada that two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted to cargo planes by removing the seats, Mr. Sada said. Then Special Republican Guard brigades loaded materials onto the planes, he said, including "yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel." The pilots said there was also a ground convoy of trucks.

The flights - 56 in total, Mr. Sada said - attracted little notice because they were thought to be civilian flights providing relief from Iraq to Syria, which had suffered a flood after a dam collapse in June of 2002.......(the rest of the article is in this link click here for link )

Eye witness accounts:

Saddam's Bomb maker by Khidhir Hamza click here for link

Saddam's Secrets by Georges Sada click here for link

Pretty much this tr
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February 1 2006 3:10 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
"The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed."

Now, answer me this... in a desert country that we supposedly knew had wmd, when we were told that the government knew where these weapons were... why did the Bush administration not bother to monitor these weapons either by aircraft or be satellite to make sure they were not moved?

"The discovery of the weapons in Syria could alter the American political debate on the Iraq war. And even the accusations that they are there could step up international pressure on the government in Damascus. "

Answer me this as well... if there are so many people saying that these weapons are in Syria, why has the US not prusued this with much vigour? Why have we been distracted by Iran and North Korea for so long.

"Pretty much this trumps any ridiculous claims that there are no WMD's."

Actually, no, it doesn't. The potential for bias here is immense. The potential for personal gain by writing a book is immense. The potential for them saying only what they know Bush and co. want to hear is immense.

Are these men in prison? If they were of high enough level within the Baathist regime to know so much about illegal weapons programs, one must ask why if the answer is no.

You talk so much about bias... maybe its about time you actually learn what it is.
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February 1 2006 3:10 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
... and you still have NO hard evidence of weapons.
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February 1 2006 3:14 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
The claim that WMD's never existed is far less supported then the claim that they did. You can't say they never existed just because you couldn't find them. It's false logic and part of a campaign to hurt the Bush administration.
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February 1 2006 3:28 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
You didn't answer my questions.
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February 1 2006 3:38 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
which one? two of them are kind of irrelevant.
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February 1 2006 3:45 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
You didn't answer my questions.
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February 1 2006 3:46 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
WHICH ONES!!
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February 1 2006 3:47 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
I'M NOT ANSWERING THE STUPID ONES LIKE "WERE THEY IN PRISON." WHO CARES? HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW?
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February 1 2006 3:50 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
"why did the Bush administration not bother to monitor these weapons either by aircraft or be satellite to make sure they were not moved?"

>>>Read the article for the answer.

"if there are so many people saying that these weapons are in Syria, why has the US not prusued this with much vigour?"

>>>read the article for the answer.

"Are these men in prison?"

>>>who cares?


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February 1 2006 3:53 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/oct2003/isg-o04.shtml
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February 1 2006 3:57 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
"WHICH ONES!!"

The ones I asked. Is that such a difficult concept for you?

"I'M NOT ANSWERING THE STUPID ONES LIKE "WERE THEY IN PRISON." WHO CARES? HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW?"

That is not a stupid question. If they are not in prison, as so many are, and they were THAT high ranking... there might just be a reason they aren't... namely that they said what they knew we wanted to hear. Was it true? Maybe, maybe not.

">>>Read the article for the answer."

Why don't you just do a simple little thing like... telling me. You never seem to be able to account for anything you support.. you just point people at articles rather than explain anything yourself.

You STILL didn't answer my questions.
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February 1 2006 4:07 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
read the friggin article. i'm not going to think for you because your to lazy to read.
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February 1 2006 4:12 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
With no evidence, the only option is to disbelieve.
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February 1 2006 4:15 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
"read the friggin article. i'm not going to think for you because your to lazy to read."

Oh, make no mistake... I am not asking you to think for me. That would be like putting a prime steak through a filthy grinder to make an overcooked hamburger.

My point is this... You CAN'T answer the questions.

Oh, and which article? You posted 3. This is why I asked. I don't have time to read all three at the moment, nor do I care much for your hoary tactic of telling people the answers to their questions are in huge articles, yet not giving them any idea of what they are looking for or where to look in the article.

You STILL haven't answered my questions.
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February 1 2006 4:25 PM   QuickQuote Quote  
Theres no evidence they don't exist
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